Did we ever figure out how Balancing Sense works?
#1
I was screwing around with my Yuri's equipment. I haven't upgraded to the new hybrid models yet so my Yuri still has full Physical Attack. Whenever I unequip one, her Magic Attack goes up. Unequipping all three of them brings my Magic Attack almost up to my Physical Attack. (16xx)

.....

So, how does this work?

Also, hybrid modules are better for Yuri after the revamp than pure physical, right?
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#2
(05-05-2015, 03:58 PM)Endgame Wrote: I was screwing around with my Yuri's equipment. I haven't upgraded to the new hybrid models yet so my Yuri still has full Physical Attack. Whenever I unequip one, her Magic Attack goes up. Unequipping all three of them brings my Magic Attack almost up to my Physical Attack. (16xx)

.....

So, how does this work?

Also, hybrid modules are better for Yuri after the revamp than pure physical, right?

From wiki skype:

For the attack values
[2/14/2015 8:58:40 AM] Derrick/Lapiste/Pylon: It'll convert 10% of your higher attack type into the other one
[2/14/2015 8:58:49 AM] Derrick/Lapiste/Pylon: which could raise up to 30% Conversion based on how great the conversion is
[2/14/2015 8:59:21 AM] Derrick/Lapiste/Pylon: It's between max 10%-30% Conversion
[2/14/2015 8:59:23 AM] Derrick/Lapiste/Pylon: So
[2/14/2015 8:59:30 AM] Derrick/Lapiste/Pylon: Lets say you have
[2/14/2015 8:59:39 AM] Derrick/Lapiste/Pylon: 1000 P.Attack and 1000 M.Attack
[2/14/2015 8:59:42 AM] Derrick/Lapiste/Pylon: this passive won't trigger
[2/14/2015 9:00:26 AM] Derrick/Lapiste/Pylon: For every 5% difference between the two attack types, 10% will be converted into the other type
[2/14/2015 9:00:33 AM] Derrick/Lapiste/Pylon: so if you have 1050 P.Attack and 1000 M.Attack
[2/14/2015 9:00:49 AM] Derrick/Lapiste/Pylon: the game will recognize that as a 5% difference and convert 10% of your physical into magical
[2/14/2015 9:01:07 AM] Derrick/Lapiste/Pylon: If you have 1150 P.Attack and 1000 M.Attack
[2/14/2015 9:01:20 AM] Derrick/Lapiste/Pylon: That will be recognized as a 15% difference
[2/14/2015 9:01:26 AM] Derrick/Lapiste/Pylon: and convert 30% of you physical into magical
[2/14/2015 9:01:55 AM] Derrick/Lapiste/Pylon: The rate of conversion is for every 5% Difference, 10% Will be converted, up to max 30% Conversion
[2/14/2015 9:02:08 AM] Derrick/Lapiste/Pylon: For critical damage (Not rate sorry)
[2/14/2015 9:02:24 AM] Derrick/Lapiste/Pylon: It's 2% Conversion per 1% Difference
[2/14/2015 9:02:34 AM] Derrick/Lapiste/Pylon: between a minimum conversion of 5% to 30%
[2/14/2015 9:02:39 AM] Derrick/Lapiste/Pylon: maximum 30%
[2/14/2015 9:02:42 AM] Derrick/Lapiste/Pylon: and I think that's it
[2/14/2015 9:02:49 AM] Derrick/Lapiste/Pylon: I COULD BE COMPLETELY WRONG BUT THATS WHAT I THINK ITS SAYING
[2/14/2015 9:03:07 AM] Derrick/Lapiste/Pylon: Raw dump for those who want to look at it themselves
[2/14/2015 9:03:08 AM] Derrick/Lapiste/Pylon: 균형 감각

공격력과 치명타 피해량의 물리/마법 수치가 상호 전환되며, 비율이 균형잡힐수록 전환율이 상승한다.
물리/마법 공격력
- 전환율 최대 30%~10% 까지
- 10% 차이 당 5%씩 감소

물리/마법 치명타 피해량
- 전환율 최대 30%~5% 까지
- 2% 차이 당 1%씩 감소


I don't get it either.
We'd probably need someone fluent in Korean to properly explain it.
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#3
(05-05-2015, 04:29 PM)Khleys Wrote:
(05-05-2015, 03:58 PM)Endgame Wrote: I was screwing around with my Yuri's equipment. I haven't upgraded to the new hybrid models yet so my Yuri still has full Physical Attack. Whenever I unequip one, her Magic Attack goes up. Unequipping all three of them brings my Magic Attack almost up to my Physical Attack. (16xx)

.....

So, how does this work?

Also, hybrid modules are better for Yuri after the revamp than pure physical, right?

From wiki skype:

For the attack values
[2/14/2015 8:58:40 AM] Derrick/Lapiste/Pylon: It'll convert 10% of your higher attack type into the other one
[2/14/2015 8:58:49 AM] Derrick/Lapiste/Pylon: which could raise up to 30% Conversion based on how great the conversion is
[2/14/2015 8:59:21 AM] Derrick/Lapiste/Pylon: It's between max 10%-30% Conversion
[2/14/2015 8:59:23 AM] Derrick/Lapiste/Pylon: So
[2/14/2015 8:59:30 AM] Derrick/Lapiste/Pylon: Lets say you have
[2/14/2015 8:59:39 AM] Derrick/Lapiste/Pylon: 1000 P.Attack and 1000 M.Attack
[2/14/2015 8:59:42 AM] Derrick/Lapiste/Pylon: this passive won't trigger
[2/14/2015 9:00:26 AM] Derrick/Lapiste/Pylon: For every 5% difference between the two attack types, 10% will be converted into the other type
[2/14/2015 9:00:33 AM] Derrick/Lapiste/Pylon: so if you have 1050 P.Attack and 1000 M.Attack
[2/14/2015 9:00:49 AM] Derrick/Lapiste/Pylon: the game will recognize that as a 5% difference and convert 10% of your physical into magical
[2/14/2015 9:01:07 AM] Derrick/Lapiste/Pylon: If you have 1150 P.Attack and 1000 M.Attack
[2/14/2015 9:01:20 AM] Derrick/Lapiste/Pylon: That will be recognized as a 15% difference
[2/14/2015 9:01:26 AM] Derrick/Lapiste/Pylon: and convert 30% of you physical into magical
[2/14/2015 9:01:55 AM] Derrick/Lapiste/Pylon: The rate of conversion is for every 5% Difference, 10% Will be converted, up to max 30% Conversion
[2/14/2015 9:02:08 AM] Derrick/Lapiste/Pylon: For critical damage (Not rate sorry)
[2/14/2015 9:02:24 AM] Derrick/Lapiste/Pylon: It's 2% Conversion per 1% Difference
[2/14/2015 9:02:34 AM] Derrick/Lapiste/Pylon: between a minimum conversion of 5% to 30%
[2/14/2015 9:02:39 AM] Derrick/Lapiste/Pylon: maximum 30%
[2/14/2015 9:02:42 AM] Derrick/Lapiste/Pylon: and I think that's it
[2/14/2015 9:02:49 AM] Derrick/Lapiste/Pylon: I COULD BE COMPLETELY WRONG BUT THATS WHAT I THINK ITS SAYING
[2/14/2015 9:03:07 AM] Derrick/Lapiste/Pylon: Raw dump for those who want to look at it themselves
[2/14/2015 9:03:08 AM] Derrick/Lapiste/Pylon: 균형 감각

공격력과 치명타 피해량의 물리/마법 수치가 상호 전환되며, 비율이 균형잡힐수록 전환율이 상승한다.
물리/마법 공격력
- 전환율 최대 30%~10% 까지
- 10% 차이 당 5%씩 감소

물리/마법 치명타 피해량
- 전환율 최대 30%~5% 까지
- 2% 차이 당 1%씩 감소


I don't get it either.
We'd probably need someone fluent in Korean to properly explain it.

Well,i guess that's how it works...?
And your magical attack gets higher because the gap between physical & magical gets higher,the higher the gap the higher the conversion rate (max 30%),but if u keep decreasing your physical dps you will start losing mdps (starting from 15% gap?)
Makes sense,but honestly what the fridge naddic??? was all that mashing necessary?
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#4
After a bit of testing, it's actually pretty straightforward:

Physical/Magical Attack:
-Maximum difference between 30% and 10%.
-For every 10% difference, Physical/Magical Attack is reduced by 4%

Physical/Magical Critical Damage:
-Maximum difference between 30% and 10%.
-For every 10% difference, Physical/Magical Critical Damage is reduced by 5%

That's all there is to it. Naddic is basically telling you to "balance" both stats equally or you get hit by a penalty.


If you need a numerical example:
1000 Physical Attack, 1000 Magical Attack

With 300 Physical Booster:
-> 1300 Physical, 1000 Magical
26% difference
For every 10% 4% reduced, so 8%.
-> 1196 Physical, 920 Magical

With 200 Physical/Magical Tube:
-> 1200 Physical, 1200 Magical
0% difference
No change

With 500 Magical Booster:
-> 1000 Physical, 1500 Magical
40% difference
For every 10%, 4% reduced, but the maximum is 30% difference, so 12% (4*3)
-> 880 Physical, 1320 Magical
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#5
Is this exclusive for Yuri, or....?
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#6
(05-06-2015, 07:46 AM)Othinus Wrote: Is this exclusive for Yuri, or....?

Yes. It's her character passive, like Bit Generation for Seulbi or Explosion (true damage) for Seha.
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#7
(05-05-2015, 08:26 PM)EternalDream Wrote: After a bit of testing, it's actually pretty straightforward:

Physical/Magical Attack:
-Maximum difference between 30% and 10%.
-For every 10% difference, Physical/Magical Attack is reduced by 4%

Physical/Magical Critical Damage:
-Maximum difference between 30% and 10%.
-For every 10% difference, Physical/Magical Critical Damage is reduced by 5%

That's all there is to it. Naddic is basically telling you to "balance" both stats equally or you get hit by a penalty.


If you need a numerical example:
1000 Physical Attack, 1000 Magical Attack

With 300 Physical Booster:
-> 1300 Physical, 1000 Magical
26% difference
For every 10% 4% reduced, so 8%.
-> 1196 Physical, 920 Magical

With 200 Physical/Magical Tube:
-> 1200 Physical, 1200 Magical
0% difference
No change

With 500 Magical Booster:
-> 1000 Physical, 1500 Magical
40% difference
For every 10%, 4% reduced, but the maximum is 30% difference, so 12% (4*3)
-> 880 Physical, 1320 Magical

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Though, that explains a lot as to why my Yuri couldn't get past Wave 40 on Dragon Hall even with gear similar to Seha. (Yes, I'm well aware Seha has true damage and crazy damage in general but my Yuri should've been able to clear at least Wave 40.)
Just...why, naddic, why?
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#8
Well you can look at it this way: Many of her skills deal both physical and magical damage. Get 7k physical and 7k magical. You're set for 14k?
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