New form of free official events on forum
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So as you know, I've hosting a few give aways on the forum(if you don't know then u missing out some free cash). The 3rd and 4th ones had been a success due to many active members on the forum, but when the 5th one comes around i ban 3 winners from the 4th one and the give-away instantly die. SO this leave us with a conclusion, this forum are on the edge of dying so does the game well kinda, naddic(K) is doing all they can to helping bringing it back(dig around the forum then you will see). Anyway, there is this idea that just sudden drop in my head like a boss.

New form of Event i will host on this forum.
  • 1st: Build guides (best 3 won 3 separate prizes usually worth 10K NX or a free Nexon KR account)
  • 2nd: Social media prize (beat me in reputation and referals you will get a 10K NX card or an account)
             (the 2nd one can be change to like Videos abt the game and to serve the purpose of advertise this game to other people)
  • 3rd: PvP events (oh boy i'm seeing flame thrower lurking in the dark), and if you wonder what type of pvp? ofc 1v1 (it will come eventually this summer Naddic(K) had promised that)


If you have more ideas or suggestion of how should i changed the formation of the events, PLEASE DO LET ME KNOW since my head is filled with work things i can't rig my brain for many ideas when i'm gaming or sleeping.

p/s: prizes will increase depends on the amount of people coming to our community (coktease with some GTX980s cards and razer keyboards)
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I hope you gonna freeze your count,because if it keeps increasing,might as well put a private island as the prize xDDDDDDD
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Stop making me feel guilty about taking an indefinite hiatus
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Hm prtty good events this time ben nice job (dunno if I will be able to participate but I can try).
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Before anyone continue reading, these are just my thoughts and ideas that have been stuck in my head for a long time but never expressed, again they are just my opinion so no need to get all butthurt. You have been warned.
To start off, personally, I think only 20k and above NX could be the minimum required motivation to create new guides, given that guides need a lot of research, testing and time. Not to mention we'll be competing with who knows how many people unless the number of participants fall below the number of 3 in which case winning is pretty much guaranteed. Unless you accept haphazard guide creation which would take 5 minutes at most to complete then sure 10k is more than enough. You can also add other requirements like more than 4 stars voted guides and anything less gets rejected, that MIGHT do the trick. "MIGHT"
Monthly giveaways. Seriously nobody likes RNG and TBH I nearly hesitated joining the monthly giveaway that I won at first(Thanks NASA for the NX). But Thank God I won and who knows how many other unlucky soul might fall into the no prize won category *cough*gin*cough*(but he won once finally anyways and it's by default due to the low number of participants) . Anyways here's the solution. Instead of making only 3 top places, why not split it to 5k NX to anyone who has a post of 200(or any amount you desire) within a month? Maybe you could do 10k NX(for anyone with the aforementioned requirements) since u work for NASA *wink*. For newly registered ones, they are required to have a post count of 20(or more depending on your liking) before participating so newcomers don't hoard for the prizes?
I have no comment towards PVP events because it's not released yet. But I'd assume it'd be straightforward win and get your cash, in which case, I still think u need more for anyone to have the motivation to participate.
I also know you do this voluntarily. But if you're REALLY determined to save the forums/international closers community, these are my 2 cents. You are free to ignore my ideas as well but since you asked for an opinion I thought, why not?
Also, I'm sure stepping up the prizes wouldn't hurt you since you work for NASA(I'm joking of course, but you seem like you're filthy rich, so a measly 20 usd wouldn't hurt you right?)
Additionally, these steps are more or less required given you're trying to revive a semi-dead/dead forums instead of increasing activity in an already bustling forum community. So more attention to draw people in is required.
P/S: I really think that real change is needed if you plan to make any REAL improvements in the current situation seeing how no one even wanted to participate on the latest giveaway other than those who lost previously. Also, it irks me to no end seeing the number of leechers on the forums, I do not mind if you skip introductory phase, but at least do a contribution or post a little instead of begging for help(which if you noticed I NEVER help anyone who has not introduced themselves or have less than 1 post count unless it's to annoy the heck out of them).
P/PS: Ben, I appreciate your contribution so far with the giveaways and really hope this turns out for the better. To others, maintain a take it or leave it attitude because again, it's just my 2 cents Wink
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(05-06-2015, 03:23 PM)InfiniteSummer Wrote: Before anyone continue reading, these are just my thoughts and ideas that have been stuck in my head for a long time but never expressed, again they are just my opinion so no need to get all butthurt. You have been warned.
To start off, personally, I think only 20k and above NX could be the minimum required motivation to create new guides, given that guides need a lot of research, testing and time. Not to mention we'll be competing with who knows how many people unless the number of participants fall below the number of 3 in which case winning is pretty much guaranteed. Unless you accept haphazard guide creation which would take 5 minutes at most to complete then sure 10k is more than enough. You can also add other requirements like more than 4 stars voted guides and anything less gets rejected, that MIGHT do the trick. "MIGHT"
Monthly giveaways. Seriously nobody likes RNG and TBH I nearly hesitated joining the monthly giveaway that I won at first(Thanks NASA for the NX). But Thank God I won and who knows how many other unlucky soul might fall into the no prize won category *cough*gin*cough*(but he won once finally anyways and it's by default due to the low number of participants) . Anyways here's the solution. Instead of making only 3 top places, why not split it to 5k NX to anyone who has a post of 200(or any amount you desire) within a month? Maybe you could do 10k NX(for anyone with the aforementioned requirements) since u work for NASA *wink*. For newly registered ones, they are required to have a post count of 20(or more depending on your liking) before participating so newcomers don't hoard for the prizes?
I have no comment towards PVP events because it's not released yet. But I'd assume it'd be straightforward win and get your cash, in which case, I still think u need more for anyone to have the motivation to participate.
I also know you do this voluntarily. But if you're REALLY determined to save the forums/international closers community, these are my 2 cents. You are free to ignore my ideas as well but since you asked for an opinion I thought, why not?
Also, I'm sure stepping up the prizes wouldn't hurt you since you work for NASA(I'm joking of course, but you seem like you're filthy rich, so a measly 20 usd wouldn't hurt you right?)
Additionally, these steps are more or less required given you're trying to revive a semi-dead/dead forums instead of increasing activity in an already bustling forum community. So more attention to draw people in is required.
P/S: I really think that real change is needed if you plan to make any REAL improvements in the current situation seeing how no one even wanted to participate on the latest giveaway other than those who lost previously. Also, it irks me to no end seeing the number of leechers on the forums, I do not mind if you skip introductory phase, but at least do a contribution or post a little instead of begging for help(which if you noticed I NEVER help anyone who has not introduced themselves or have less than 1 post count unless it's to annoy the heck out of them).
P/PS: Ben, I appreciate your contribution so far with the giveaways and really hope this turns out for the better. To others, maintain a take it or leave it attitude because again, it's just my 2 cents Wink
About guides,no one said they must be "amazingly amazing",no one asked anyone to dig the earth for it,it can just be "how to gear properly" or "how to unlock your module slots" and that's it?
Beside,any amount is good for the prize,giving bigger prize will get people to have more competition on it,hence less people winning than people winning (in %).
Also,the prize is for the giver to decide,he is by no way affiliated to the HQ (i know he is a mod and stuff but he doesn't own it or have any responsability toward it),any help is appreciated to keep the forums alive by anyone,the amount doesn't matter as long as it helps.

Remember that you don't lose anything for those "post & win" giveaway,if it was something like lottery,yeah i would agree to give more prizes/ make it more fair for more ppl,but as long as its nothing but RNG at no effort,why not? you don't lose anything anyway.

And yeah,that's all for me o. o
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(05-06-2015, 04:48 PM)Person Wrote: About guides,no one said they must be "amazingly amazing",no one asked anyone to dig the earth for it,it can just be "how to gear properly" or "how to unlock your module slots" and that's it?
Beside,any amount is good for the prize,giving bigger prize will get people to have more competition on it,hence less people winning than people winning (in %).
Also,the prize is for the giver to decide,he is by no way affiliated to the HQ (i know he is a mod and stuff but he doesn't own it or have any responsability toward it),any help is appreciated to keep the forums alive by anyone,the amount doesn't matter as long as it helps.

Remember that you don't lose anything for those "post & win" giveaway,if it was something like lottery,yeah i would agree to give more prizes/ make it more fair for more ppl,but as long as its nothing but RNG at no effort,why not? you don't lose anything anyway.

And yeah,that's all for me o. o

Judging from your reply I can say that you haven't read my post at all or at least digested what you read. I said, it's an idea, and it's up to him. So if he doesn't take it, it's FINE.
And his point was to save the forums, he did the normal giveaway and did more people post or participate? Reflect on the current forums condition before you even post about what I had to say.

"giving bigger prize will get people to have more competition on it"
THAT'S the point. As mentioned by Ben he wanted to increase community population and activity. What? Do you want no competition and win every single giveaway? I see what you did there.
Also, do note that a lottery giveaway with 3 winners and 3 participants is not in any form a competition.

"About guides,no one said they must be "amazingly amazing""
My point wasn't directed towards the guide quality, it was targetted towards the form of giveaway that would encourage guide making. I seriously don't care how or what the quality of the guide is. But then if he maintains the normal 10k, expect at most moderate guide or no guides at all. OR or, 3 guides where quality don't matter and 3 winners, and a dead forums. Well sure, you don't have to dig to the ends of the earth to make a guide. But then again it takes "time" which has a value different depending on individual. And given our small community, it'd at least take time to make a guide. The images, the editing, the corrections. If all of this seems like nothing much to you, then I'd really love to see more guides from you in the future.

"Also,the prize is for the giver to decide,he is by no way affiliated to the HQ."
Duh, it doesn't take a genius to realize he's just a mod. I've been here long enough to know that. No longer than you. But still anyone who's been here for a week would notice that. That's why I said "I also know you do this voluntarily". Again, read.

"any help is appreciated to keep the forums alive by anyone,the amount doesn't matter as long as it helps."
How much help did it gave to this dying forums when we have 800+ members and less than 10 posted in the latest giveaway? Again, I'm not suggesting Ben wasn't of any help. I'll repeat that again, I'm not suggesting Ben wasn't of any help. I'm not suggesting Ben wasn't of any help. Get that? Good. Moving on.

"as long as its nothing but RNG at no effort,why not? you don't lose anything anyway."
It is still nothing but RNG at no effort, and did more people posted as intended? Ben's goal was something around 10 or 20, at least a competition. Winning by default isn't a competition, at all. Instead of contradicting yourself and bashing me why not suggest your own ideas and contribute to more ideas and opinions?

Apart from that READ before you write? Or, as I mentioned earlier, take it or leave it. :3
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(05-06-2015, 06:31 PM)InfiniteSummer Wrote:
(05-06-2015, 04:48 PM)Person Wrote: About guides,no one said they must be "amazingly amazing",no one asked anyone to dig the earth for it,it can just be "how to gear properly" or "how to unlock your module slots" and that's it?
Beside,any amount is good for the prize,giving bigger prize will get people to have more competition on it,hence less people winning than people winning (in %).
Also,the prize is for the giver to decide,he is by no way affiliated to the HQ (i know he is a mod and stuff but he doesn't own it or have any responsability toward it),any help is appreciated to keep the forums alive by anyone,the amount doesn't matter as long as it helps.

Remember that you don't lose anything for those "post & win" giveaway,if it was something like lottery,yeah i would agree to give more prizes/ make it more fair for more ppl,but as long as its nothing but RNG at no effort,why not? you don't lose anything anyway.

And yeah,that's all for me o. o

And his point was to save the forums, he did the normal giveaway and did more people post or participate? Reflect on the current forums condition before you even post about what I had to say.

"giving bigger prize will get people to have more competition on it"
THAT'S the point. As mentioned by Ben he wanted to increase community population and activity. What? Do you want no competition and win every single giveaway? I see what you did there.
Also, do note that a lottery giveaway with 3 winners and 3 participants is not in any form a competition.


"About guides,no one said they must be "amazingly amazing""
My point wasn't directed towards the guide quality, it was targetted towards the form of giveaway that would encourage guide making. I seriously don't care how or what the quality of the guide is. But then if he maintains the normal 10k, expect at most moderate guide or no guides at all. OR or, 3 guides where quality don't matter and 3 winners, and a dead forums. Well sure, you don't have to dig to the ends of the earth to make a guide. But then again it takes "time" which has a value different depending on individual. And given our small community, it'd at least take time to make a guide. The images, the editing, the corrections. If all of this seems like nothing much to you, then I'd really love to see more guides from you in the future.


"Also,the prize is for the giver to decide,he is by no way affiliated to the HQ."
Duh, it doesn't take a genius to realize he's just a mod. I've been here long enough to know that. No longer than you. But still anyone who's been here for a week would notice that. That's why I said "I also know you do this voluntarily". Again, read.


"any help is appreciated to keep the forums alive by anyone,the amount doesn't matter as long as it helps."
How much help did it gave to this dying forums when we have 800+ members and less than 10 posted in the latest giveaway? Again, I'm not suggesting Ben wasn't of any help. I'll repeat that again, I'm not suggesting Ben wasn't of any help. I'm not suggesting Ben wasn't of any help. Get that? Good. Moving on.


"as long as its nothing but RNG at no effort,why not? you don't lose anything anyway."
It is still nothing but RNG at no effort, and did more people posted as intended? Ben's goal was something around 10 or 20, at least a competition. Winning by default isn't a competition, at all. Instead of contradicting yourself and bashing me why not suggest your own ideas and contribute to more ideas and opinions?


Apart from that READ before you write? Or, as I mentioned earlier, take it or leave it. :3

If you want to save the poor people you don't need to save all the poor people.

My point is that its a contradiction to what you said earlier,
Quote:Monthly giveaways. Seriously nobody likes RNG and TBH I nearly hesitated joining the monthly giveaway that I won at first(Thanks NASA for the NX). But Thank God I won and who knows how many other unlucky soul might fall into the no prize won category *cough*gin*cough*(but he won once finally anyways and it's by default due to the low number of participants) . Anyways here's the solution. Instead of making only 3 top places, why not split it to 5k NX to anyone who has a post of 200(or any amount you desire) within a month? Maybe you could do 10k NX(for anyone with the aforementioned requirements) since u work for NASA *wink*. For newly registered ones, they are required to have a post count of 20(or more depending on your liking) before participating so newcomers don't hoard for the prizes?

If you don't like RNG and nobody like RNG,why would you want to make the chance less?
Also,to your knowledge,i choosed an account to give to a friend,if you know what i did there i can cancel that and not get anything from it,just because i won by forfeit,my friend asked to get an account and i tried my best to get one,check my referrals,sadly the referral event was somehow canceled/switched to another thing,so its no longer relevant,but i tried by all means and that's it.

you said you don't care about the quality of the guide,then why would you assume that?

Quote:To start off, personally, I think only 20k and above NX could be the minimum required motivation to create new guides, given that guides need a lot of research, testing and time. Not to mention we'll be competing with who knows how many people unless the number of participants fall below the number of 3 in which case winning is pretty much guaranteed.
you missed my point,my point was "if he's doing something good,no one need to tell him how to do it or asking for more"obvious adjustement are alright to notice,asking for more NX/easier wins is kinda weird for my eyes,also,how much does it help to donate to charity while the whole world's people are suffering? yeah,you don't save them all,you do your best,you know,i can be rich too,but is that a reason for someone to ask me to give more? i don't think so,there are richer people that aren't giving away anything.

you missed my point again,i didn't say you said that ben wasn't of any help,i just said don't push too hard on him as he is a volunteer,no one is supposed to rely on giveaways or contests,if you make a guide,you make it for the sake of making a guide,the reward is a bonus,if you enter a raffle for free,you don't lose anything and you might get lucky and win,bad side? none.

So,you would prefer the giveaway to be canceled just because few people were interested?didn't you say gin was unlucky until that happened for yourself? or maybe is that just a way to tell me i didn't deserve it? probably,but check who posted earlier,not as if i decided to join "just cuz its empty and i'm a winner".
how about ignoring the latest giveaway and think about making things better next time? such as making this thread?yeah,that's what he did.

should have answered your questions?


Anyway,the forum's condition/effort he make is his own thing,no one is supposed to talk about it or mess with it,when you try to achieve something for other people,no one is supposed to judge you or tell you how to do it,you do what you think is best,friendly advices to make things better at no side's harm is cool,criticising as if its someone's duty is not.
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If you want to save the poor people you don't need to save all the poor people.

You're not saving everyone if they don't meet their goals which I stated as 200 posts(again not my decision). Who'd have the motivation to join and never get their prize at all in the end? By setting a goal people would have to post at least 200 in order to obtain the prize, but not all people might achieve it. Again I'm not suggesting it'd be 200 maybe somewhere between attainable but difficult would do. So by suggesting this system where everyone gets to have it at a 100% chance just by posting and becoming active, benefitting both parties, the chance is lesser to receive the prize?


If you don't like RNG and nobody like RNG,why would you want to make the chance less?
Also,to your knowledge,i choosed an account to give to a friend,if you know what i did there i can cancel that and not get anything from it,just because i won by forfeit,my friend asked to get an account and i tried my best to get one,check my referrals,sadly the referral event was somehow canceled/switched to another thing,so its no longer relevant,but i tried by all means and that's it.


Nobody in their right mind would like RNG, and due to this exact fact, is why no one would like to participate in a 10k NX RNG giveaway unless they are ALREADY an active forum member. This all wouldn't happen if the stakes are high. And the stakes are high when the prize pool is high. So more people would join and be active even if they knew they might lose, because if they win, they win big. It's like lottery. Also, I think you're getting something wrong, I did not lose in the giveaway. But I'm feeling it for others that did not win. And that's how unmotivating an RNG giveaway is, UNLESS the prizes are high to a certain extent it attracts people. Then it's a different story.

you said you don't care about the quality of the guide,then why would you assume that?

you missed my point,my point was "if he's doing something good,no one need to tell him how to do it or asking for more"obvious adjustement are alright to notice,asking for more NX/easier wins is kinda weird for my eyes,also,how much does it help to donate to charity while the whole world's people are suffering? yeah,you don't save them all,you do your best,you know,i can be rich too,but is that a reason for someone to ask me to give more? i don't think so,there are richer people that aren't giving away anything.

Assume what? Yes, he's doing something good. And I repeated that many many times, but I don't think you got any of it. And again I have to repeat, this is being tiresome.It was just an idea, since he asked for it, he don't have to implement it if he doesn't like it. Obviously, no one would like it when he's contributing something and someone asks for more, but the point being it didn't make any changes he wanted so far. HENCE, my idea. And I knew someone who'd view things superficially would come along but I never knew it came this quickly.

you missed my point again,i didn't say you said that ben wasn't of any help,i just said don't push too hard on him as he is a volunteer,no one is supposed to rely on giveaways or contests,if you make a guide,you make it for the sake of making a guide,the reward is a bonus,if you enter a raffle for free,you don't lose anything and you might get lucky and win,bad side? none.


How can it be pushing if I'm only stating what I think and not forcing him to implement any of it. It's like an opinion poll but any opinions given has to be implemented? Makes no sense. And of course people would make guides for their own liking, MOST if not ALL of the guides available on the internet are made without a single penny in mind. However, the community is just THIS unmotivated to do anything right now so what makes you think guides will start popping out of the blue without any clear form of reward? Entering raffle for free would work IF provided we have an already active and flowing community. But do we have that? Nope. Back to the main goal, which was increasing forum members and activity. Which, again, was why I suggested what I suggested. Again, would love to see more "unrewarded" guides from you.


So,you would prefer the giveaway to be canceled just because few people were interested?didn't you say gin was unlucky until that happened for yourself? or maybe is that just a way to tell me i didn't deserve it? probably,but check who posted earlier,not as if i decided to join "just cuz its empty and i'm a winner".
how about ignoring the latest giveaway and think about making things better next time? such as making this thread?yeah,that's what he did.

Did I even state for the giveaway to be cancelled? I suggested for it to be improved. And no, it didn't happen to myself. I was lucky, but gin wasn't, and that's how bad a giveaway based on RNG can get, if it's regarding posts. I also never assumed that you do not deserve it, but the way you stated it seems like you wanted the giveaway method to stay as it is. And this will only result in one thing, the same people, the same method of winning and the same winners. Rinse and repeat and you get the same thing over and over again. Why not just call Ben to give you 10k NX a month directly. Saves so much of the trouble. Also, the driving force for this thread to even started was due to the fact that the latest giveaway was sort of a failure according to him.



How could I not miss your point, when it basically consists of beating around the bush and one-liners which makes no sense.
And again, you never read and digest my post. You got things wrong all over again.



"Anyway,the forum's condition/effort he make is his own thing,no one is supposed to talk about it or mess with it"

This is an opinions thread, so I'm giving an opinion of mine. Am I doing something wrong here? So this is what I get for stating my opinion. And wow, I'm messing the forum's condition by sharing my ideas. *slow claps

"criticising as if its someone's duty is not."
Which is absolutely what you're doing towards my opinion. And I have not in anyway criticize Ben. In fact, I am super appreciative of the work he's done so far. And I was only sharing my thoughts on how he could've done things effectively.



Again, full of contradictions. You're just talking in circles and beating around the bush. Please take the time to read and reply appropriately if you want to have a civilized discussion.

If you want to get all angsty and continue bashing me I can keep this up for as long as you want Smile
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(05-06-2015, 08:08 PM)InfiniteSummer Wrote: Assume what? Yes, he's doing something good. And I repeated that many many times, but I don't think you got any of it. And again I have to repeat, this is being tiresome.It was just an idea, since he asked for it, he don't have to implement it if he doesn't like it. Obviously, no one would like it when he's contributing something and someone asks for more, but the point being it didn't make any changes he wanted so far. HENCE, my idea. And I knew someone who'd view things superficially would come along but I never knew it came this quickly.



Again, full of contradictions. You're just talking in circles and beating around the bush. Please take the time to read and reply appropriately if you want to have a civilized discussion.

If you want to get all angsty and continue bashing me I can keep this up for as long as you want Smile

Not only you're not reading my things but you're also getting it somewhat personal,i'm not going to offend anyone here,so enjoy that side of the monologue.

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=asking for more.
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=free stuffs are bad cuz RNG.
"Unlucky soul"
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Does that have anything to do with free things you didn't get cuz of a monthly raffle? not at all.
Unlucky souls just try again,everytime a winner is decided there's 1 less person in the next competition,hence higher chance,you won,you let others win,that's how chance increase for those who really want it (which was already taken into account) saying that its bad isn't really right,unless you want it badly and rely on the giveaway,yeah that's bad.


Oppose=contradicting self,oooookaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay


And i'm in a rush now,soo o/

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P.S.2:throwing 2cents and asking for 20bucks is not cool yo.


now if you don't mind,i gotta do something IRL,see you tmrw.
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