dead game?
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(04-09-2015, 12:12 PM)shardy Wrote:
(04-09-2015, 12:04 PM)SeaDa Wrote: it's a shame cuz this game has Tein :'(
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#22
(04-09-2015, 02:01 PM)Khleys Wrote:
(04-09-2015, 12:23 PM)Endgame Wrote: All NA Closers has to do is remove the Stamina system and it instantly crushes DFO and that one game everyone without a Nexon KR account is itching to jump ship from.

I can practically smell the gold farmers and the destroyed market
The gold farmers have tons of accounts and characters and just swap to another when they run out of Stamina. They're already a big deal in Closers WITH Stamina in place. Remember the mass bannings a while back? That was all over gold farmers.

Stamina only hurts legitimate players.
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#23
(04-09-2015, 03:11 PM)Endgame Wrote:
(04-09-2015, 02:01 PM)Khleys Wrote:
(04-09-2015, 12:23 PM)Endgame Wrote: All NA Closers has to do is remove the Stamina system and it instantly crushes DFO and that one game everyone without a Nexon KR account is itching to jump ship from.

I can practically smell the gold farmers and the destroyed market
The gold farmers have tons of accounts and characters and just swap to another when they run out of Stamina. They're already a big deal in Closers WITH Stamina in place. Remember the mass bannings a while back? That was all over gold farmers.

Stamina only hurts legitimate players.
I think he meant without stamina they would have no limitations for gold selling/farming meaning they'd make more characters and level alot more which in turn gives them more opportunity and accessabilty to do their wrong deeds(prtty much what happend on NA DFO they took out stam and gold farmers went crazy and starting popping up alot more and GMs didnt not take action so they flooded the game) so no stam kinda hurts more than non stam.
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#24
Right, because GMs weren't cracking down on them.

There's going to be gold sellers no matter what. Stamina hurts legitimate players, but GM inaction hurts the economy.

Not to name any names, but there's a certain NA version game that has Stamina AND an economy ruined by GM inaction resulting in massive inflation.....
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#25
Cause let's all blame Naddic gg
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#26
i still love Closers period
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#27
(04-09-2015, 04:41 PM)Yinada Wrote: Cause let's all blame Naddic gg
Naddic has done a pretty good job considering how many other games were in a worse state at this point of their life. However, let's not deny that some fairly bad decisions have been made and that activity is definitely down. (My poor Yuri can't get a party for E-1 Easy Mode to even start the story quests there, no matter what time of the day I try.)

Namely, how players have to grind 45-48 on pure 4-9 grind. (And we even had to grind 47-48 before we could even go to the Epilogue area the first few days after the release!) I got my Seulbi to 53 and my Yuri to 48, but I still have a 45 Seha and a 46 J and Misteltein who have to watch serpents eat Astaroth over and over and over and over again.....
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(04-09-2015, 03:11 PM)Endgame Wrote:
(04-09-2015, 02:01 PM)Khleys Wrote:
(04-09-2015, 12:23 PM)Endgame Wrote: All NA Closers has to do is remove the Stamina system and it instantly crushes DFO and that one game everyone without a Nexon KR account is itching to jump ship from.

I can practically smell the gold farmers and the destroyed market
The gold farmers have tons of accounts and characters and just swap to another when they run out of Stamina. They're already a big deal in Closers WITH Stamina in place. Remember the mass bannings a while back? That was all over gold farmers.

Stamina only hurts legitimate players.

NA release should just enforce no multiple accounts.
I'm well aware that's difficult, but it really should be enforced more often since multiple accounts grants an extremely unfair advantage, especially with dual client or two computers *points at Red Haired Boy Game*.
Aside from family, I have no idea why this isn't enforced more often on online games.

Also, Stamina only hurts legitimate players?
While I will admit it does hurt them game-wise,
34 runs @ 2 minutes each + load time + inventory sorting is roughly FOUR hours. If you're playing for more than that, something is REALLY wrong. (Unless it's Friday/weekend/you play games to make a living/all you do is sit down and collect rent... in that case, I think Character Slots increase account stamina limit. I'm not 100% sure though. But hey, since you got the money to burn, might as well buy all of them Big Grin)
2 minute runs are extremely uncommon if you're battling story too, so that's really saying something...

And if 2 minute runs ARE common, that means you've been gearing up, which will still ultimately lead to 4+ hours.
But I will admit it does hurt people who only play one character.

...Seriously, why does Character Stamina exist? Just get rid of it and bump up the account stamina, you money hungry naddick (I don't blame you guys though, you're probably still poor as f**k...though seriously drop VIP price pl0x)

Anyways, I think Stamina should exist irregardless.
How many people are actually gold farmers/botters/hackers? Probably way less than 10% of the population.
Now then, let's say stamina DOES go bye-bye: every hardcore gamer will definitely pump it up and mass farm. (especially if there is 2x drop event)
This will eventually drive the price of items to the sky and the value of CR (compared to NX) will pummel.

This could scare any leftover potential customers naddic has (ha, they exist?), especially because of how difficult it is to manage finances when you are just starting out the game (Well, probably not that bad now). Not to mention you would lose several dedicated players because if you game goes to that point, the game is pretty much P2W. (Unless you enjoy spending hours on end farming for something similar to 10x lower than minimum wage, in which case...may I suggest Elsword Onl--/shot)

Now you could say
"That doesn't make any sense, wouldn't it cause a flood of several cheap items?"

Well, first of all; if it did cause a flood, barely anything would be in market anymore because tax, which is JUST AS BAD.
Second of all, NA is never that nice.
Third of all, NA has lower population meaning items won't sell as fast but credit gain from dungeons will continue to go up, causing inflation (I think that's how it works? lol)
Fourth of all, I know for sure this will happen because it's already happened to Nexon DFO AND Red Haired Boy...
Fifth of all, like you said...there was an incident with gold farmers. What happened when they were around? Gigantic price inflation.

Yes, gold farmers will definitely exist no matter what, but there will always be more legit players than gold farmers.
I would rather have a small temporary impact than a long, sustaining impact.

I just...REALLY don't want to see another episode of Elsword Cash Tyranny.
I mean, it definitely won't be that bad in Korea, but that's because it's KOREA.

But hey, if Closers ever gets NA release and you still want to see stamina pulled off NA version of Closers, then I will definitely support you. I just won't ever look, peer, or touch that server EVER. (Aside from AoS.) :v

(04-09-2015, 07:09 PM)Endgame Wrote: My poor Yuri can't get a party for E-1 Easy Mode to even start the story quests there, no matter what time of the day I try.

JoIN MY CIRCLE WE"LL GIVE you COOKIES and YAOI
No, but seriously, we're very nice and will help you with dungeons. And by help I mean abuse you for daily quest party runs
COUGH, I mean, why not? Only bad thing about joining my circle is having to listen to me talk about ggochus.
...-reaches for your as--/shot

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#29
Stamina = nothing for me, because I never use all of it.

(04-09-2015, 08:39 PM)Khleys Wrote: wall of text
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(04-09-2015, 08:39 PM)Khleys Wrote: and YAOI
I CAN HELP WITH THIS
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someone get me a shield I'm a Closers' lover, and Khleys just drop a nuke on my desk (GJ Khleys)

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